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by Athol
Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:39 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Louis Bouyer the great modern Catholic theologian states: “…the Church of the Gentiles subsists only as a graft on the trunk of Israel…Christianity will always be the legacy of Israel, which the Jews alone could give to the whole of mankind…”. Louis Bouyer calls the Church of the Circumcision, Judeo...
by Athol
Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:36 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Father Aidan Nichols another leading orthodox Catholic theologian also speaks of the Jews in the Church: “Since Judaism is not in the fullest sense a different religion from Christianity, there can be and are such a thing as Hebrew Catholics, Jews who have entered the Church but with every intention...
by Athol
Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:33 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Both Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal Schonborn see no opposition between the Torah and the Gospel. They both quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1968 “The Lord’s sermon on the Mount, far from abolishing or devaluing the moral prescriptions of the Old Law, releases their hidden potential and ha...
by Athol
Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:18 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Here is a link for Cardinal newman's writings on the Development of Doctrine.

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/
by Athol
Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:15 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Also this is from Cardinal Lustiger. "Pagans also have a right to the Law , as a holy law inscribed in their hearts. It is by acting through the Messiah , with him and in him who made himself obedient to the Law to death on the Cross, that they obey the Law. The discipline of the church dispens...
by Athol
Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:06 am
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Re: Ritual and Juridical Observances

I am reminded of paragraph 1972 in the Catechism: “The New Law is called a law of love because it makes us act out of the love infused by the Holy Spirit, rather than from fear; a law of grace, because it confers the strength of grace to act, by means of faith and the sacraments; a law of freedom, ...
by Athol
Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:42 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

I think Cardinal Lustiger of paris says it much better than I. "The Church appears in Jerusalem, after Pentecost, as an "assembly" kahal in Hebrew, ecclesia in Greek. It is unthinkable that she would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel, but the very, fulfillment, in Isr...
by Athol
Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:38 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Dear Hadassah, Maybe I am not expressing myself well. I believe all Catholics -Jews and Gentiles -are bound or obliged to observe the Torah. Gentile Catholics are free to observe it in Gentile ways and Jewish Catholics are free to observe it in Jewish ways. There is only one Torah or Law of God reve...
by Athol
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:50 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Another Moderator
Replies: 3
Views: 17837

Another Moderator

Dear all, Just to let you know that Ariel has asked me to be a moderator of the forum with him. I am happy to do this but want to add that the ideas I post as a poster rather than as a moderator are my own and may not reflect the beliefs of other members of Catholics for Israel. When I write somethi...
by Athol
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:23 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Hello, Athol: I am somewhat confused only because I read St. Paul as very clearly willing to take or leave observance of at least portions of the Torah (I am not advocating antinomianism), depending on the situation (e.g., 1 Corinthians 8:7-13). Thank you, Hadassah Dear Hadassah, Paul is a mystic t...
by Athol
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:54 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Hello, Athol: "For the baptised jew the outward observance of the Torah is the same..." From where do you draw this statement? Do you mean that this can be a personal choice which one makes ~ one path among others that can serve to glorify God and to contribute to the spiritual treasury o...
by Athol
Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:29 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Dear Hadassah, I thought I would share something I wrote a long time ago on Paul so that you can see where I am coming from before I discuss Paul and Torah observance in more detail. I Beheld The Lord Through The Mirror “But all of us, with open (unveiled) faces, behold (see/adore/contemplate) the m...
by Athol
Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:15 pm
Forum: The Church in the Holy Land
Topic: Merging Palestinian Believers with Jewish Believers
Replies: 2
Views: 17275

DNA studies also demonstrate that Christian Palestinians have the same DNA as the Jews. They say this is because many are descendants of the original Jewish Christians in the land. However it probably isn't wise to let the Muslims know that or it will give them even more reasons to persecute the Ara...
by Athol
Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:08 pm
Forum: Messianic Jews, Hebrew Catholics, Catholic Jews
Topic: Making Aliyah
Replies: 5
Views: 17022

Yes it is strange how Jewish Catholics and other Jewish Christians are considered Jewish by Halakah and Jewish enough to be gassed as Jews in the holocaust but not Jewish enough to live in Israel. However many Russians who are not Jewish by halakah or belief are welcomed with open arms if they have ...
by Athol
Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:43 pm
Forum: Torah and Gospel
Topic: "Like" One Under the Law
Replies: 58
Views: 114442

Dear Hadassah, I just posted a long answer that disappeared so I will just write something short for now. 'under law' [hupo nomos] is not the same as 'bound by Torah'. One needs to remember that PAUL IS A MYSTIC AND THAT MYSTICAL LANGUAGE IS NOT THE SAME AS THEOLOGICAL AND PHILOSOPHICAL LANGUAGE. Pa...