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by TruthSeeker
Fri May 18, 2012 2:09 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Dear Athol - I just noticed your linking to the article at NCR. I debated whether to respond, but feel I must given that I believe there are significant problems with that article, and other articles by David Palm and Michael Forrest. They go far beyond what the Church teaches and represent their mu...
by TruthSeeker
Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:40 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Athol: I believe we are at an impasse, but as I thank you for your thoughts, i will contemplate them. I am trying to take the Church at her word, as well as Scripture. When she uses terms like superseded, abolished, abrogated or even “died”(See, Redemptoris Mater, Roman Catechism Part III discussing...
by TruthSeeker
Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:53 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Athol: I'm sorry, but that position simply isn't Catholic teaching. Hence the Covenant Confusion. Cardinal Ratzinger, speaking as a theologian, can make many propositions, but the Church has already spoken, clearly and repeatedly. See for example the words of the Church below: Roman Catechism, Part ...
by TruthSeeker
Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Dear Athol: Thank you for that reply. It may have been put in because of that statement, but because the term "Old Covenant" has referred to the Mosaic Covenant at times, it caused tremendous confusion. We know JPII could not have meant that the Mosaic Covenant was not revoked, because he already st...
by TruthSeeker
Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:50 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Athol - yes, I was intermixing the American and CCC. But the issue is interrelated. I believe you are overstepping your interpreation by concluding the 121 of the CCC means the Mosaic Covenant was not revoked. It doesn't say that. Read it again, and then read the numerous other sections in the CCC t...
by TruthSeeker
Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:29 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Dear Athol: I think you will find that the section 121 on page 131 of the Catechism was removed because it was flat-out wrong. The US Bishops voted it out because the Old Covenant was revoked. They replaced that sentence with: "To the Jewish people, whom God first chose to hear his word, 'belong the...
by TruthSeeker
Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:22 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Ariel, I am sorry you ended the discussion. Please accept one last response to your latest comments. You obviously do not like the Council of Florence, so let’s try this amalgamation: “The Church is the new people of God, yet the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or cursed” (Nostra Aetate, 4)...
by TruthSeeker
Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:37 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

Dear Ariel: Thank you for your reply, I know this is such a sensitive topic and I’m glad you are open to discussing it in good faith and love. Let me address a few of your replies. First some general comments. There is no Catholic Church if there isn’t “classical” teaching. So, I submit that to arri...
by TruthSeeker
Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:19 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Re: Covenant Confusion

CONTINUATION: Although the Gentile component of the Abraham covenant continues into the salvation of the New Covenant, the Jewish element of the Abrahamic covenant (e.g., circumcision) was abolished, forever. It’s annulment began when the curtain of the Temple was torn in two by God Himself (Mt 27:5...
by TruthSeeker
Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:09 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Covenant Confusion
Replies: 29
Views: 97568

Covenant Confusion

First, let me say that I truly am worried about representations made on this website. Not only because it represents itself as being “catholic” which may be misleading people from the truth of the faith and into mortal sin, but from a more foundational premise – many claims here amount to calling Go...